Rt Revd James JonesBishop‘s LodgeWoolton ParkLiverpoolL25 6DT
11th February 2011
Dear Bishop,
I listened to your interview on Radio 4 on Thursday 10th Feb aboutParliament‘s response to the ECHR judgment on prisoner voting.
I think you rather missed the main issue, which isn‘t whetherprisoners should be allowed to vote or not, but who should decide.
The Charter of Human Rights was a faux de mieux invented by MrsEleanor Roosevelt at the end of the last war to be imposed on theshattered countries of continental Europe. It was imposed, and this isvital to understand, because hardly any of those countries in Europehad any tradition of democracy. Nearly all had been under variousforms of totalitarian rule, whether monarchist, presidential orideological. Further, nearly every country had, and still has, a legalsystem based on Corpus Juris (sometimes known as Code Napoleon).Corpus Juris originates from totalitarian rule and views the citizenas subservient to the State: thus in a court of law an accused personhas to prove their innocence - their judge is also their prosecutorand defence lawyers are never allowed to become prosecutors or judges.There is no jury system as understood in the UK (the judge directs thejury to a verdict - the judge is not impartial, he is part of theprosecution). Thus some protection of individual liberty had to beimposed.
The situation in the UK was and is quite different. From kingAlfred‘s establishment of Common Law and the jury system, throughMagna Carta, Habeus Corpus and the Bill of Rights, the people of thiscountry, through their elected representatives in Parliament, decidethe Law and then it is the duty of the judiciary to administer it. Ifa law seems bad to the people then the law can be changed byParliament. The system of British Law enshrines all the ideas of HumanRights by default: a British citizen is free to do as he or she chosesunless it is contrary to the law of the land. This is not true underCorpus Juris nor even the CHR. There, only what is expressly permittedis allowed. Britain should never have signed up to the CHR as it isnot required in this country.
Parliament is sovereign with regard to what constitutes Law in the UK.Indeed you and I have assented to this, as Anglicans in holy orders:both by our assenting to the 39 Articles (in particular Article 37)and by our oath of allegiance.
That a Parliament agreed to sign up to the CHR is irrelevant:Parliament can equally decide to revoke that agreement (no Parliamentmay bind its successors) - indeed I believe it should do so as soon aspossible.
Laws must not be imposed on this country from outside by people whohave never been elected or appointed by Parliament. That is the roadto totalitarianism.
A word about this famous ECHR. It is made up of superannuatedplacemen and bureaucrats, many of whom have no experience ofjurisprudence and hardly any the slightest understanding of UK law.There are, for example, judges from Russia in the ECHR. The countriesof Europe may bow to it if they wish, but the peoples of thosecountries have never been consulted about it.
Regarding prisoners‘ votes. In this country we do not (yet) haveprisoners of conscience - unlike not a few European countries -therefore the issue does not even arise. As David Davis MP quiteneatly put it, ”Those who break the law cannot be allowed to make thelaw.•
When a prisoner is released they may of course use their vote.
Yours faithfully,--Rev Philip Foster MA 1 Barnfield, Common Lane, Hemingford Abbots,Cambridgeshire PE28 9AX 01480 399098 Also SMP Ltd.
"In politics, stupidity is not a handicap." Napoleon Bonaparte (1769-1821),
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Greg L-W.
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How did the Bishop reply, please?
ReplyDeleteIncidentaly, my experience of 30 years as a criminal justice practitioner, suggests to me that allowing prisoners to vote, apart perhaps from some, as ordered by sentencing court, would make a contribution to reduce reoffending by engaging people in the prisons with the political process and those seeking to be public representatives with a more realistic awareness of the realities of imprisonment.
Hi,
ReplyDelete'Tolkny' I haven't a clue as to the reply but I do believe Phillip's letter was a valuable airing of some of the points and his opinion.
I am sure, knowing him, that Phillip would be only too happy to satiate your curiosity and if you receive a response I will be only too happy to publish it!
As for your opinion I thank you and do agree that a small number of prisoners might be re-engaged through voting for clearly the public vote is diminishing as they realise its complete irrelevance within the largely undemocratic EUropean centralised committee Dictatorship as increasingly run by and for the benefit of unelected apparatchiks.
Even the laws you uphold in your daily round as a lawyer are made by foreign diktat to utterly allien principles and without mneaningful democratic input - such that since we have had the misfortune of being members of The EU and its corrupt predecessors we have had imposed upon us more diktats and so called laws than were enacted in the period from William The Bastard of Normandy to our being duped dishonestly into ratification of The Treaty of Rome by the lies of politicians and Snivil Cervants.
Facts I am sure you will be all too well aware of as a practicioner of criminal justice principles.
Regards,
Greg_L-W.