Turnout Transpired To Be Less Than 1/3rd. - Everone KNOWS Wales as a Region is a Farce merely prostituting itself for the biggest grants as a totally non viable economic entity dependent on Grants and riven with petty tribal jealouslies amongst the faile people who go into politics for lack of ability to earn at the same rate based on ability!
Welsh referendum hit by apathy – and an inflatable pig
Voters not greatly engaged by lacklustre campaign
By Matt Chorley, Political Correspondent
Sunday, 27 February 2011
Even an 8ft inflatable pink pig paraded through the streets of Welsh towns and villages has failed to generate much interest in Thursday's referendum on the future of the Assembly.
The vote is not about giving Cardiff Bay more money. It is not even about giving it more powers. It is about speeding up how existing powers are administered. Basically, Cardiff's decisions would be implemented directly without ratification from Westminster.
So far the campaign has been notable for a lack of official Yes and No camps, for accusations of homophobia on Twitter – and for apathy. And the inflatable pig. It is a DIY porcine metaphor around which opponents of the move to speed up Cardiff's law-making have gathered. Pigs might fly. Snouts in the trough. Er... Animal Farm? Take your pick.
The pig, belonging to the True Wales No campaign, was parading through the streets of Fleur de Lis village near Caerphilly on Thursday. Gripping its lead was the campaign's agricultural spokesman, Nigel Bull. "I'm an ordinary chap who feels passionately about this," he says. "Most people are like myself – just extremely disappointed with the Assembly since its inception 12 years ago."
Opponents of making life easier for the Assembly point to its record. Two in five Welsh children reach secondary school more than a year behind in their reading. Former mining communities have not seen the promised economic rejuvenation. Fears over law and order are high.
The cross-party Yes campaign, fronted by Roger Lewis, group chief executive of the Welsh Rugby Union, suggests the delays in wielding power are what has held Wales back. The Assembly has authority to pass laws in 20 areas, including health, education and the environment. But, unlike Scotland or Northern Ireland, to legislate on the detail it must effectively get permission from London. Wales was the first government to vote for a smoking ban, but was beaten by Scotland in implementing it.
"We can't afford to have a government in the slow lane in Wales in a fast-changing world," says Carwyn Jones, the Labour First Minister. He is confident they are winning the argument, and the doorstep pitch is well rehearsed. "If people want the Assembly to be doing more rather than talking about doing more, vote Yes."
Turnout is crucial. Some polls suggest it could struggle to reach 40 per cent, although the Yes campaign looks to be ahead.
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eggiebumfluff [Moderator] 1 week ago
It seems that the 'Yes' to direct law making camp are on track for a win. Lets hope this is one more step in the right direction for Wales, towards greater self-determination.
Congratulations from Scotland!
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Greg_LW [Moderator] 1 week ago
To understand what an Assembly for Wales, or any other of the 12 silly little Regional Assemblies, will really mean requires reading the relevant Articles
[263 – 265] of:
The Consolidated Treaty Establishing
The European Community,
Title II, The Treaty Establishing The European Community, Part Five, Title I, Provisions Governing The Institutions, Chapter 4, The Committee Of The Regions:
ARTICLE 263 (ex Article 198 a)
A Committee consisting of representatives of regional and local bodies, hereinafter referred to as ‘the Committee of the Regions’, is hereby established with advisory status.
The number of members of the Committee of the Regions shall be as follows:
Belgium 12; Denmark 9; Germany 24; Greece 12; Spain 21; France 24; Ireland 9; Italy 24; Luxembourg 6; Netherlands 12; Austria 12; Portugal 12; Finland 9; Sweden 12; United Kingdom 24.
The members of the Committee and an equal number of alternate members shall be appointed for four years by the Council acting unanimously on proposals from the respective Member States. Their term of office shall be renewable. No member of the Committee shall at the same time be a Member of the European Parliament.
The members of the Committee may not be bound by any mandatory instructions. They shall be completely independent in the performance of their duties, in the general interest of the Community.
ARTICLE 264 (ex Article 198 b)
The Committee of the Regions shall elect its chairman and officers from among its members for a term of two years.
It shall adopt its Rules of Procedure.
The Committee shall be convened by its chairman at the request of the Council or of the Commission. It may also meet on its own initiative,
ARTICLE 265 (ex Article 198 c)
The Committee of the Regions shall be consulted by the Council or by the Commission where this Treaty so provides and in all other cases, in particular those which concern cross-border co-operation, in which one of these two institutions considers it appropriate.
The Council or the Commission shall, if it considers it necessary, set the Committee, for the submission of its opinion, a time-limit which may not be less than one month from the date on which the chairman receives notification to this effect. Upon expiry of the time-limit, absence of an opinion shall not prevent further action.
Where the Economic and Social Committee is consulted pursuant to Article 262, the Committee of the Regions shall be informed by the Council or the Commission of the request for an opinion. Where it considers that specific regional interests are involved, the Committee of the Regions may issue an opinion on the matter.
The Committee of the Regions may be consulted by the European Parliament.
It may issue an opinion on its own initiative in cases in which it considers such action appropriate.
The opinion of the Committee, together with a record of the proceedings, shall be forwarded to the Council and to the Commission.
In short that pretentious load of Eurospeak boils down to Wales will have no authority, no say, no representation & there will be 444 extra representatives to pay for in Europe. Plus, of course, all their staff and all their expenses - but no more democracy and no more control over the un elected dictator committee – the European Commissioners.
Let us look at what it means point by point:
The United Kingdom will have 24 members with 24 alternates on a Committee with 222 members and 444 members and alternates in total.
The Member State [in our case the United Kingdom] shall propose members, thus Wales has no representation enshrined in European law. These proposals must be unanimously approved by the Council (of Europe). Thus every United Kingdom member could be proposed from one region.
If the Council approves the proposal, the Council can renew their term of office.
Nowhere herein does it say that members represent a region [viz. Wales], in fact it expressly states that they shall not have a mandate or be bound by instruction.
Members are not elected, they are proposed by Westminster and appointed by the Council & their loyalty must be to Europe ‘..performance of their duties, in the general interest of the Community’.
‘It shall adopt its own Rules of Procedure.’ = It shall become a law unto itself?
The entirety of Article 265 says nothing other than the Committee shall have freedom of speech. The implication being that citizens of the new State of Europe do not have freedom of speech.
There is no undertaking that the Committee has to be consulted, nor that anything it says has to be listened to. Therefore since it has no authority, no area of jurisdiction and no responsibility it has no reason to exist. Just another costly waffle shop!
Let us assume that what was the United Kingdom decides to give two memberships on this new Committee and two alternates to each of the twelve economic regions, in the British economic subsidiary region of Europe. Wales would then have two votes, in isolation, out of 222 votes on the Committee of the Regions, less than 1% influence. To add insult to injury MEPs representing Wales are outnumbered 100 to 1 in the European Parliament, less than 1% influence again. This is what being master of ones own destiny and having an Assembly for Wales means for the people of Wales and every other, of the 12, economic regions in Britain.
There are some, I am sure, who honestly believe that an Assembly for Wales is a good idea for Wales. Some will welcome the removal of benevolent control, albeit sometimes misguided, from Westminster – surely they can not welcome direct rule by the un elected dictator committee that rules Europe, the European Commissioners. Some may feel that two more tiers of Government will help Wales, I can not for the life of me see how – the more tiers of Government the further from the electorate decision
If you require further assistance or information, for the defence of Britain, please do not hesitate to contact us:
Greg_L–W.
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Greg_LW [Moderator] 1 week ago
Did you know that there was a referendum today on whether the Welsh Assembly should be given law-making powers?
The fact of the referendum, the reasons for it and the consequences, have been the object of almost total silence within the province, many people with the misfortune to live in Wales being unaware of the referendum. Is it believed that the silence is deliberate. This is a measure that even on a good day would be unpopular. The less people know of it, therefore, the more chance its self-interested supporters have of getting it through.
As for the rest of the UK, although this is called devolution, it is yet another step in the dissolution of the Union – the United Kingdom, that is. That, of course, means another step towards the creation of the Europe of the Regions, part of that greater European Union.
The process of regionalisation started as a parallel model for the political integration of Europe, and has since been absorbed into the mainstream. Creation of strong(er) regional entities, with direct ties to the supranational centre (Brussels) weakens the power and authority of the national government.
The bizarre thing is that it does nothing to enhance democracy or local accountability. It simply adds – and in this case strengthens - yet another, more intrusive layer of government and confuses lines of responsibility and authority ... which is, of course, part of the game.
Anyone really interested in democracy would be pushing enhanced powers to local authorities – including genuine tax-raising powers and, indeed, law-making powers. Local authorities used to have such powers, exercised by way of by-laws, and local Acts. Many of the issues which are currently regulated by national British regulations and now EU law started off their lives as by-laws.
No longer can such a degree of local autonomy be permitted by our masters. In the Orwellian world of the Perfect Union, devolution means more centralisation. More "democracy" means less democracy. That is what was always intended to be, even if there are some people stupid enough to believe otherwise.
That is why those who are aware of the referendum and who understand what it is really about will be voting "no" today.
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Greg_LW [Moderator] 1 week ago
Hi,
The Constitution of these United Kingdoms is likely to be changed later today and I appreciate it was Stalin who said:
'It does not matter how they vote but how we count the votes',
A lesson well learned by the crooks in The Nooo Labour Party who rigged, wriggled and fixed the corrupted and unlawful vote that brought this fatuous additional level of useless wind bags into existence to rubber stamp EU Diktat via the two unelected representatives Wales is allowed on the Council For The Regions a 100% EU construct concept!
With a mandate of less than 50% of the electorate and minded of the unarguable corruption of the EU influenced YES vote perhaps someone would be so good as to explain imn what way the outcome, be it NO or YES might be considered a morally acceptable mandate.
I appreciate we are all too willing to shoot people in Foreign Countries who do not adopt the democracy we demand but this squalid level of behaviour is on a par with Robert Mugabe, Jo Stalin, Iraq, The Taliban and Red China!
Whatever the outcome YES or NO with an uninformed electorate lied to by The YES campaign using public money and public time there is no valid mandate for change in either direction NO or YES.
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Greg_L-W.
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jerome hamill [Moderator] 2 weeks ago
As an Irish man I would encourage the welsh to vote yes funny enough. So far all I've seen and heard about this is a negative view about the welsh. If i were to believe what i see in the British press, i would come to the conclusion that the welsh are a backward, small minded people and the best place for them is at the boot of the English as it is only those in Westminster that know what is best. Lucky enough i know a few welsh people and have a great respect for them, so I'll say this. "vote yes and don't be afraid to determine your own future, you'll do just fine". In Ireland we may not get it right all the time, but there our own mistakes and at least we can do something about it.
Westminster's a bad joke, bend politicians, ineffective laws and policies and at the end of the day, there's nothing the public can really do as the system doesn't work for them.
Best of luck jerome
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Greg_LW [Moderator] 1 week ago in reply to jerome hamill
Hi,
wonderfull - Can you think of a better reason to vote NO?
Just look what a mess bankrupt Ireland is in as a result of Irish thinking and being destroyed by their half baked political clowns being so easily bribed by The EU which now makes almost all their decisions for them.
IF the Irish make a decision The EU doesn't like because it is in the interst of Ireland and Irish people they are just forced to vote again until The EU dictator committee gets the result it demands.
What better reason to ignore advice than it came from Ireland!
I too know a number of Irish people I respect - they left Ireland years ago when it became the vassal of The EU.
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Greg_L-W.
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Aled Morris [Moderator] 1 week ago in reply to Greg_LW
"Just look what a mess bankrupt Ireland is in as a result of Irish thinking"
It's for comments like this that everyone on here is ignoring you. Pathetic, absolutely pathetic.
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Greg_LW [Moderator] 1 week ago in reply to Aled Morris
Sadly the facts I have provided are accurate though Aled!
By all means since you have no facts to correct me TRY to denigrate me - so very typical, attack the messenger when you can not prove the message wrong!
Which facts were you unable to understand?
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Greg_L-W.
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Greg_LW [Moderator] 2 weeks ago
Hi,
It is now the 1st. March 2011
Yesterday I stopped 20 people in the street IN WALES and asked them how they would vote in the referendum - 16 knew nothing about the vote and of the other 4 only one knew when the vote was.
IT IS ON THURSDAY!!!!
I have received ZERO leaflets, seen no commentaries, received no information and only found out the vote was this week by accident I LIVE IN WALES!
This is a measure of the competence and representation on this farce of a local regional council set up by the EU.
It was NEVER voted for on a fair basis and it has proved as useless and venal as the Scottish, South West Regional Ass & the rest of the foolish self serving Kleptocratic QUANGOcracy.
The entire concept is a farce and makes a fool of Wales and Monmouthshire.
It is of no relevance and can NOT vote itself any meaningful authority as it is answerable to The Council For The Regions where it has TWO unelected representatives and no say!
Do read the legislation - see welshassembly dot org dot uk and read all 4 pages!
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Greg L-W.
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girlabouttown [Moderator] 2 weeks ago in reply to Greg_LW
"This is a measure of the competence and representation on this farce of a local regional council set up by the EU."
You remind me of Everton supporters. Blaming their own failings on Heysel. Everything is the EU's fault eh?! Ha! Take away European funding from Wales and see where we are. Considerably worse off - that's where.
Newsflash. The EU aren't the reason there is apathy amongst the Welsh population about decision making powers in the Assembly. The EU aren't the reason that the Assembly have failed to drum up any sort of public interest in the issue. It's because it's essentially a non issue. Vote yes? Decisions get made marginally quicker (though my experience of the WAG tells me snails pace will still be the maximum speed limit). Vote no? Decisions get made at the same speed they do now.
I will vote no on Thursday. I will vote no because it gives me a degree of reassurance that another party can check over the Assembly's decisions. If it's the right decision for Wales, it will get made anyway. What is the likelihood of the Welsh Secretary vetoing a decision before even putting it to parliament? Really?
Vote No. I'm happy with the level of devolution we have now. I certainly wouldn't want to take any steps to increase power at the Assembly.
And that comes from a Welsh speaker, on Anglesey, where being a nationalist is pretty much a given.
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Siôn Jones [Moderator] 1 week ago in reply to girlabouttown
You have been misinformed - there is no external scrutiny of Welsh Laws at the moment, nor will there be if there is a NO vote.
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Aled Morris [Moderator] 1 week ago in reply to girlabouttown
But why should this extra level of bureaucracy only apply to Wales, and not Sctoland, Northern Ireland or even the Isle of Man for that matter!? It has very little to do with nationalism and everything to do with saving time and (as a recent commission approximated) saving £2m a year in allowing Welsh politicians to make Welsh laws for Welsh people. It is a system which is entirely unique throughout the politicial world. And to clarify, it's not to increase power in the Assembly, it's taking the final layer out of the system. For all the failings of some AMs I trust they at least know what they can and cannot make laws on, which is what this 'layer' is all about.
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Greg_LW [Moderator] 1 week ago in reply to Aled Morris
Hi,
clearly correct it is not to increase power for the National Ass as if you bothered reading the legislation by which the National Ass exists you would realise it has no power!
Then when you have caught up with that fact and realise it is just a rubber stamping shop for the EU with delusions of grandure you might care to consider the stonishing irrelevance of your posting.
Your big plus point would seem to be that it will save £2Million - enough to pay for almost nothing of consequence in fact it is not even enough to fund the idiotic referendum later today.
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Greg_L-W.
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Greg_LW [Moderator] 2 weeks ago
TEN LITTLE KINGDOMS
by: Miss J.E. Clarke of Eynsham
Plans for seperation grew worse
than those before,
Then they asked for two Parliaments,
now 'tis three or four.
Only just imagine if Home Rulers
had their way,
And this is something like the tale
the world might hear one day.
"One United Kingdom they fancied
wouldn't do.
To please some grumbling Irish
they split it into two.
Two little kingdoms, but then the
Scots, you see,
Claimed their ancient throne and
rights, and then there were three.
Three little Kingdoms, and after
that one more,
For Welshmen claimed a parliament,
and then there were four.
Four little Kingdoms wouldn't do
at all!
One of them was far too big; the
others far too small.
All throughout Great Britain ancient
hates revived.
Cornwall wants to rule herself, and
then there were five.
Five little Kingdoms, but London
in a fix,
Raised the 'Southern English' flag,
and then there were six.
Six little Kingdoms, alas! the 'Home
Rule' heaven,
Caused a rising in the West, and
then there were seven.
Seven little Kingdoms; Northmen
wouldn't wait,
But started the Northumbrian state,
and then there were eight.
And the towns that one may visit
by the Eastern Counties line,
Held their own East Anglian Parliament
and then there were nine.
Nine little Kingdoms; the Midlands
people then
Called a parliament themselves,
and then there were ten.
Ten little Kingdoms never could
agree
How to work together, and so
they went free.
Ten little Kingdoms with constitutions
new,
Ten little Kingdoms always in a
stew,
Ten little Kingdoms too weak to
stand alone,
A foreign nation conquered them,
and now there were none.
The 'Regional Policy' was again published as a method of breaking up Britain into 'squabbling' little Assembly Regions of insufficient stature, to ensure dependence on the centre.
Each little Region being in conflict and competition with its neighbour, ever seeking more pretend power whilst losing control in reality to the central authority - leading to a loss of National identity and a need for subsidy from the centre.
This was published in 1937 in the book 'The House That Hitler Built'.
'Europaische Wirtschaftsgemeinschaft' was published, as the blue print for 'The European Economic Community' in Nazi Berlin in 1942.
Heidrichts 1942 'Reichs Plan for the Domination of Europe' was published late in 1942 in Nazi Germany.
The conference called in Berlin in 1944 was titled 'How Will Germany Dominate The Peace When It Loses The War' and it was decided to move a massive block of capital out of Germany through Madrid to hold it in the American economy until needed after the war.
After the Neurenberg Trials this money started to come back into Europe to fund the plan.
Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands, a senior Nazi Party Official and Waffen SS Officer, was funded to hold a series of conferences in The Hague at The Bilderberg Hotel - the origin of 'The Bilderberg Group'.
Shortly after this Heidricht's 1942 'Reichs Plan for the Domination of
Europe' was reworked and re published, now called 'The Treaty of Rome'.
In return for a cash bribe, believed to have been £35,000 and thinly disguised as 'The Charlamaigne Prize', Edward Heath LIED to the peoples of Britain - both on the floor of the House of Commons and in the White Paper stating 'Signing The Treaty of Rome will lead to no essential loss of National Sovereignty'.
Edward Heath has subsequently confirmed both in the Palace of Westminster and on TV that he LIED and he did so intentionally as he did not believe that the electorate of Britain would vote for the signing of The Treaty of Rome if they knew the truth!
This he was forced to admit on a David Frost interview where he stated that he had lied as he knew if the British peoples knew the truth they would not have voted to ratify the Treatuy of Rome which he had already signed!
Having admitted his dishonesty (effective Treason) Edward Heath was subsequently forced to repeat his admission to Parliament.
By a very small margin the electorate had voted in favour of Ratifying The Treaty of Rome in The Referendum - thereby joining The European Economic Community, better known as The Common Market.
This act of Treason committed by Edward Heath renders Britain's signature of The Treaty of Rome by Britain as NULL AND VOID under English Law.
All agreements, contracts and treaties are bound by English Law as it pertained at the time of the inception. English Law states, unequivocally, that should one party to an agreement miss lead another party thereto, in order to obtain their participation therein, said agreement shall be NULL AND VOID.
Britain's signature on The Treaty of Rome is NOT valid as it was obtained by an act of Treason - and based upon lies, thus there is no need to even consider the silly concepts of subsequent Labour, Tory or Coallition Governments.
This reality is upheld by The Treaty of Vienna on International Treaties.
Blair's concept of 'In Europe at the centre and fighting our corner' is not only tortological rubbish but as sound bites go really silly. Even were our signature valid.
It is as stupid as the slogan from The Tories 'In EUrope but not ruled by EUrope' (sort of: 'In the gas chamber but not inhailling').
In Europe, as a result of his Government signing The Amsterdam Ammendment, Britain can not fight ANY corner as he has signed away Britain's right to a veto and accepted QMV [Qualified Majority Voting].
To return to Hague's concept of 'In Europe but not ruled by Europe' is totally dishonest. It has all the logic of joining a cricket club and then insisting on building bunkers on the pitch so that you can play golf. Renegotiation of the European Treaties is expressly forbidden as signed in the treaties.
The Lib. Dims. on the other hand since they will never hold real power in Britain have totally prostituted themselves to the European Union in the hope of gaining some power that way!
Business for Sterling is completely 'off its chump' - they have failed to understand the EU, they think you can be in the EU but not join the EUro farce. How do they get around QMV and the various articles that can be used to impose the EUuro whatever the people of Britain want?
BRITAIN IS NOT LEGALLY, AND NEVER HAS BEEN, A MEMBER OF THE EEC or the 'arbitrarily' created EUropean Union, which was undemocratically imposed on the peoples of Europe, without vote or consideration, in 1994, when the Commissioners [the corrupt, un elected, dictator committee] decided to scrap the EEC and impose the single Supra National Nation State of EUrope on the vassal regions and peoples so far duped.
They heuristically swept aside the rights and freedoms of the nation states and their peoples to fulfill the obscene dream of a European Empire. Granting themselves 'Potentate' Emperor status, immune from law un accountable and pampered in their dictatorial powers. Dispensing favour and reward through their salesmen who sit as MEPs in sybaritic luxury in their palace.
We now have the spectacle of Cameron promising that there will be a referendum before more power is handed over to The EU - he promised a referendum on The New Constitution, disingenuously renamed The Lisbon Treaty - He lied then and he is telling lies now.
The Lisbon Treaty was passed with barely a murmur from The Tories and an Evil complicity by UKIP, who raised not a finger in defence. The terms of The Lisbon Treaty as signed and sealed, invalid as it is, clearly show there are no powers that are not already in the hands of The EU.
The EU now costs Britain over £48 Million a day and do not be duped into believing that we get much of the money back as EU subsidies because we do NOT - for every £1 we receive from The EU we have paid them £2.60 - also be minded that we also have to comply with matched funding thus for every £1 we may get back for a project we have to cough up another £1 to match it thus £1 of EU cash back costs us £3.60 in most cases and all too often for lame brained 'degeneration scams' in town centers or road widening to be compliant with EU standardisation so that massive EU lorries can roll across Britain with enlarged fuel tanks so as not to contribute one cent to The British economy whilst stealing British jobs and supplying foreign goods!
It can only be hoped that a greater number of the British peoples WAKE UP and realise what their duplicitous politicians are doing to them for their own personal gain in their own personal pursuit of perceived power and reward.
Are YOU doing your bit to spread the truth?
"In politics, stupidity is not a handicap." Napoleon Bonaparte (1769-1821),
Regards,
Greg L-W.
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Aled Morris [Moderator] 2 weeks ago
True Wales miss a few basic points here (or actually, conveniently hush up any mention). The motto on their pig says "No to more taxes and politicians", however a yes vote will not bring these. Fact.
Also, they're peddling this referendum as a vote of confidence for WAG. It isn't, it's to speed up the law making process by bringing it in from Westminster to Cardiff. Fact. The vote of no confidence occurs in May, it's called an election. If anything, if people are fed up with the results produced thus far, stop voting for Labour just because your forefathers did. Vote them out and teach them a lesson.
It's probably worth noting as well that people are stating poor performance as a reason to dissolve the Assembly. Funny how it's only the Welsh Assembly that has this kind of suggestion, and not Westminster, Holyrood or Stormont when their governments fail.
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Greg_LW [Moderator] 2 weeks ago
Leave-The-EU
More people voted AGAINST an Assembly for Wales than for it they just fixed the count!
It was unwanted, has proved useless and its time to close this costly layer of parasites who have done and achieved NOTHING.
they are just a cipher for The EU to help destroy Britain.
NAME TWO PEOPLE of stature, probity, gravitas and competence in the idiotic scam!
Woopy Doo Bribes For The Boys!
Greg_L-W.
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didimus [Moderator] 2 weeks ago in reply to Greg_LW
How do you know "they just fixed the count" ?
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ericskelton [Moderator] 2 weeks ago in reply to didimus
It worked like this. You were supposed to put a cross by 'Yes' or 'No'. Simple. Anything else was a 'spoilt paper'. However this produced a victory for the 'No' campaign. So it was decided to count the 'spoilt' papers upon which some people had WRITTEN 'yes' or 'no' (cretins). THIS ALSO produced a victory for the 'No' campaign. So, finally, 'spoilt' YES votes WERE counted and 'spoilt' NO votes were not. The 'Yes' vote then (barely) won. Iran/Libya etc would have been ashamed. Welsh Labour and Plaid Cymru weren't. Hardly an 'Easter Rising' was it?
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Greg_LW [Moderator] 2 weeks ago in reply to ericskelton
Hi,
Ron Davis visited the official returning officer to organise EIGHT alterations of what should be counted to achieve the false yes result.
You will recal the Government AND the Welsh Office refused point blank to have a recount even though we offered to pay for it - They KNEW they couldn't fudge it a second time!
The Welsh EU Regional Assembly was founded on lies - the vote was a lie - the result was a lie and the liars now run the entire scam.
Yet based on Tony Blair & that same Cabinet's lies we now shoot and kill 100s of 1,000s of innocent men and women children and babies to force them democratically to adopt our chosen corrupt method of Democracy.
Gadaffi kills a few 1,000 and the world is in uproar - Blair & his cabinet of liars kill 100s of 1,000s and he just stuffs his pockets!
Beats celebrating by 'badger watching' in your wife's frock! Or taking the Tory option and interviewing young men in the office ON the desk!
Wales must be so proud. Did someone not realise National Ass was an abreviation when they voted for it!
Regards,
Greg_L-W.
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ericskelton [Moderator] 1 week ago in reply to Greg_LW
Indeed! As I keep pointing out the protestors in Tunisia/Egypt/Jordan etc were not protesting against 'tyranny'. They were protesting against corrupt sham democracy.
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Greg_LW [Moderator] 2 weeks ago in reply to didimus
Hi,
from working with Betty Bowen, Carys Pugh and others at the time - it was clear the entire concept was rigged and the people were not being told the truth or the facts - the huge amount of money that went into funding The Yes campaign from Labour, Government and others - not to mention unrecorded sums from derek Gregory of UNISON without any vote by members!
That the squalid Ron Davis coneived to alter the acceptable ballot papers several times in the count.
That in some areas (RCT) only YES campaigners were allowed to open and handle votes.
That the NO vote had won Blair had caught the train back to London having lost and then in the early hours of the morning a box of YES votes absolutely stuffed was mysteriously added to the Carmarthen count having been found in Pietre Hayne's constituency was more than strange and let us not forget this odious man was found guilty as a Minister of fiddling benefits and paying staff from Petty Cash so they could go on claiming whilst ignoring Minimum Wage Legislation HE had brought in!
I believe the National Ass Fror Wales is just an EU Rubber Stamping Farce designed to break up Britain and downgrading The Proud Principality of Wales to being nothing more than on a par with the other Mikey Mouse Regional scams.
Read The Legislation - They HAVE & will HAVE no authority.
Regards,
Greg_L-W.
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ericskelton [Moderator] 2 weeks ago
The real problem with referenda is that there is 'no going back'. Hence the same question (with a pre-decided answer) can be presented to us proles year after year until we 'see the light'. I recall voting in a referendum over 'Sunday Opening for pubs' in Cardiganshire in the 1980s. It was presented (and rejected) time and time again for decades until the required outcome was achieved. Since then I have seen no follow up referendum to assess whether the people of Cardiganshire wish to RETURN to 'dry Sundays'. If this new 'Yes' campaign fails then surely we must have a referendum to see if we wish to retain the Assembly at all? No? Thought not.
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whosaysso [Moderator] 2 weeks ago in reply to ericskelton
An interesting point about Cardiganshire there - and one that I too remember well. I voted for dry every time (just for a day off from the pubs). I remember the groups of students shouting 'sych, sych, sych!' (dry dry dry) outside the counting office, and a sense of resignation when we lost that bit of archaic difference. And you're right - it was the last time that the issue was raised.
Also when discussions about a devolved parliament first came to the vote in 1977 it was rejected because a load of has-been former Westminster MPs were just looking for a way back into politics...
Times change, though, and I voted for the devolved parliament when it came up the second time and haven't changed my views on that since. The Assembly seems more relevant in the areas where it can give us different laws from England. Differences tend to be minor but so far always for the better.
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ericskelton [Moderator] 2 weeks ago
Mochyn inflatio.
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whosaysso [Moderator] 2 weeks ago
Wales is very different from England. People are more actively involved in local decision-making and less stifled by hierarchies which exclude influence. Local democracy works well and is generally accountable to the people. I say let the politicians get on with it now. We listen to them and consider that they listen to us, so let's remove that extra layer of permission-pleading from the system and get on with what needs doing.
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Greg_LW [Moderator] 2 weeks ago in reply to whosaysso
Hi,
lets remove the extra layer of utterly useless politicians - in fact two layers!
We can Leave-The-EU and save Britain £50 Million a day removing all those MEPs (Massively Expensive Parasites) and all The National Ass Members who are just a costly waste of time, space and money merely rubber stamping EU diktat with no more legal say than an East Anglian Assembly or West Midlands Assembly Member - DO READ THE TREATIES!
The Assembly is a con with smoke and mirrors just like the idiots in Scotland or The South East dancing to the EU tune to destroy Britain.
Of course the politicians haven't told you - since when do turkeys vote for Christmas?
Regards,
Greg_L-W.
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girlabouttown [Moderator] 2 weeks ago in reply to Greg_LW
Wales would be seriously worse off without EU money. More EU funding is just about the only justification I can see for further devolution in Wales. We'd be struggling without it, and it will be vital to helping the people of Wales survive the UK Government cuts. Keep the system as it is for now. The political environment is shaky at the moment. It's not the time for individual changes for Wales.
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tonigog [Moderator] 2 weeks ago
i'm talking about the '97 referendum here.
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deannorris [Moderator] 2 weeks ago
The pig sums it up nicely, most politicians are bloated pigs. This assembly is an expensive farce and merely a theatre for their egos.
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whosaysso [Moderator] 2 weeks ago
And just finally to clarify:
A referendum will be held on 3 March to ask whether the National Assembly should have increased law-making powers;
On 5 May, there will be the National Assembly election to decide who should represent us in the Senedd in Cardiff Bay.
On the same day as the Assembly elections, we’ll be asked whether we should elect our MPs at Westminster through a different system of voting.
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